Episode: 28

Perimenopause, Burnout, Friendship and Letting Go

With Layne Beachley and Tess Brouwer

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What are you actually Googling at 2 a.m.? You asked. We answered.

In this raw and refreshingly honest Q&A episode, Tess and Layne open the listener inbox and tackle the questions that land in their DMs and search bars at all hours – the ones you’re almost too embarrassed to ask out loud. From perimenopause (am I going crazy, or is this actually happening to my hormones?) to chronic exhaustion, from the thing that almost broke Layne to whether either of them grieves who they used to be – this episode is a warm, direct, science-backed conversation between two women who are in it too. Layne opens up about skipping straight to menopause without realising it, her back-and-forth journey with HRT, and why she’s finally committed to giving it a full year. Tess talks through prepping for perimenopause before it hits, the Flow app Chris monitors on her behalf, and why every ad she gets these days seems to know something she doesn’t. They share a four-step energy audit for anyone running on empty, unpack the difference between health span and lifespan (thank you, Peter Attia), and give the most honest answer imaginable to the question “has your friendship ever been hard?” This is the episode for anyone who’s lying awake wondering if what they’re feeling is normal – and who needs to hear that yes, it very much is.

What you will learn

  • What perimenopause and menopause actually feel like from the inside, and why so many women are misdiagnosed before they get there
  • Why exhaustion is not the same as depression, and the four-step energy audit to figure out what’s draining you
  • How Layne’s drive to prove she could push through anything eventually led to chronic fatigue, and what the body does when you stop listening
  • The difference between health span and lifespan, and why what you do now in your 40s determines how you live in your 70s
  • How both Tess and Layne think about grieving the women they used to be – and why neither one of them misses her
  • What keeps Tess and Layne’s friendship strong even when running a business together is genuinely hard
  • The one thing they’d say to anyone in their 40s or 50s who feels like they’re losing themselves

5 Key takeaways

    1. If Nothing Triggered It, It’s Probably Perimenopause Layne thought she was going mad. She visited a cardiologist about her racing heart. She battled brain fog, memory loss and weight gain around her midriff. With no big external event to explain it, she eventually realised her hormones were the story. As Layne says: if you’re not sleeping, not thinking clearly, not feeling like yourself – and nothing specific has triggered it – perimenopause is worth looking at. Depression, anxiety and brain fog are often the first signs, not the hot flushes you were warned about.

    2. Your Story About the Medicine Might Be More Powerful Than the Medicine Layne has been on HRT, off HRT, and on it again. What she realised is that she was applying the cream while telling herself a story about how she preferred the herbal, natural way – and then wondering why it wasn’t working. Tess called it out: that’s cognitive behavioural therapy working against you. The story you tell about a treatment shapes how your body receives it. Layne’s new story is simple: “This is helping me.” That shift, from resistance to acceptance, may matter as much as the science.

    3. Exhaustion Is Not Depression – It’s a Signal Worth Decoding If you’re exhausted all the time but don’t feel depressed, the answer isn’t a diagnosis. It’s a life audit. Tess and Layne walk through four things to check: how much time you’re spending on screens (because screen time depletes energy faster than almost anything), what kind of exercise you’re doing and when, what you’re putting into your body in terms of sugar, caffeine and alcohol, and – critically – what you could start saying no to. The goal isn’t to add more. It’s to subtract what’s silently draining you.

    4. The Body Whispers Before It Screams Layne showed up to training in the pouring rain, sick with the flu, proving to herself and the world that she could push through. She did this for years. Then she got chronic fatigue. The signals were there long before the collapse – the whispers she overrode, the rest she refused to take, the protein she forgot to eat, the rehydration she didn’t prioritise. Health span, not just lifespan, means starting now. What you do in your 40s is what you live in your 50s. You are already building the body and the life you will inhabit in your 70s.

    5. Letting Go Is How You Find Out Who You Actually Are Both Tess and Layne were asked: do you grieve who you used to be? Neither does. Layne describes letting go of the identity of world champion – the relevance, the spokesperson roles, the ambassador gigs – as the thing that opened space for something more meaningful. Tess talks about surrender as the moment you get on your hands and knees and allow yourself to truly not know. From that place of not knowing, you get to ask: who do I actually want to be? That question sets everything else in motion. As they say: live, learn and let go.

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